Carol's Chickens

Autumn is now moulting big time. There are clouds of feathers wherever she has been. Trust her to wait until the start of the colder weather to moult. I decided to give the girls some fish to boost their protein which is supposed to help with growing feathers.

I am throwing everything I can at Autumn to treat her legs and feet. Three nights ago I started spraying with the scaly mite spray again. This is the spray that says to use every third night for three weeks but is almost empty so I ordered another spray. The next night I slathered Autumn’s legs and feet with vaseline. This is supposed to both smother scaly mite and help soften the scales making them more comfortable.

I have used two bottles of scaly mite spray so far with the constant treating of Autumn’s legs and feet. The new spray that arrived yesterday is a poultry scaly leg formula that you use every day for a week. This spray is oil based.

This afternoon I am going to bring Autumn in and wash her legs and feet as the vaseline has made the dirt stick to them.

I will then start Autumn on the new daily spray for a week. This is much quicker than the three week one.

I am treating Autumn again in case it is still scaly mites that are causing her to peck at her feet. I have done endless research on feet pecking and scaly mites. I read other chicken keepers’ stories on the forum – Reddit. I have discovered differing information on scaly mites.

Most people say scaly mite is an easy problem to sort out. They say one treatment gets rid of the mites. I would have agreed with that myself up until now. Dot had scaly mite last year and one treatment sorted out the problem. Sugar also had scaly mite last year and again this year and one treatment sorted her out both times.

But then I read someone’s story that they had scaly mite on one hen and found it, the devil of a job to get rid of, their words. This made me think that perhaps that’s what is going on with Autumn. Maybe she is that one case that’s really hard to get rid of. That’s why I am going to continue to treat her. She has stopped pecking since I have started treating again.

I also read terrible stories of hens pecking their scales off down to the bone and one case of a hen pecking her foot off. This is horrifying and I would have a hen put to sleep before I would ever let it get that bad.

Some people said that they were sure their hen didn’t have scaly mite as the scales were smooth and not raised. The comments said that maybe it was early and didn’t show yet. Others said the pecking started after treatment for scaly mite like with Autumn. I wonder if just one mite or one egg gets left behind and starts the whole thing off again.

So after treating Autumn three times in the last three months I am treating again and hoping a different spray might do the job. I can only keep trying and hope for the best.

The good news is that Red is back in lay again. She laid today on the third day after her last egg. We will be having her eggs for our weekend breakfast.

The bad news is that Autumn is back to pecking her legs and feet. She is even worse than before. It is frustrating because she stops for a while then starts up again.

Autumn started doing this again a week ago. I have repeatedly sprayed her for scaly mite and feel sure she doesn’t have them. There is no sign of them, no grey residue. I think she has just formed a habit of pecking at her scales. For the past week she hasn’t left her feet alone. She has pecked them to the stage where she was limping and she spent all her time on the perch over the hatch in the run and was looking miserable.

This morning Autumn escalated the pecking. She was stood on one of the nest boxes pecking at her feet. Next time I checked on her she was sitting on the perch in the chicken shed. Her feet were bleeding. There was a lump of scales on the nest box that she had picked off.

Autumn has also started to moult which seems very late in the year and I had begun to think she would miss moulting. I am constantly spraying her wounds with the healing and skin repair spray but nothing is going to help if she keeps doing this. We have never had a girl self destruct before and we really think this may end with us losing her.

Her feet are such a mess and she has also pecked off a strip at the back of her leg.

I ended up leaving Autumn in the chicken shed because I felt she was less likely to peck in there, although I can’t be entirely sure and at least her feet would stay clean. Her feet are much more vulnerable to dirt getting in the wounds and I worry about infection.

I don’t think Autumn is eating properly either. She is eating the treats but I haven’t seen her go to the pellets and her poops are sloppy and white.

Later I sprayed Autumn’s feet again and she came out of the chicken shed. I gave her sunflower hearts, chopped tomato and mash. I will do all I can to keep her eating. I have also put vitamins in the water.

As always I have done loads of research on the internet on this. Whatever chicken problem we have other people have too. I found a few people that have the same issue. They said after treating for scaly mite one of their girls started doing this and the photos showed the same as Autumn.

They also said the bird no longer had mites and would stop pecking for a while and then start up again. They had, like me, tried all the different sprays to no avail.

This is disheartening because I am not sure there is a solution. I know from the past that once a girl gets a habit it can be impossible to break.

I really don’t know how this is going to end. If she would just stop pecking she would heal and be okay. If she won’t stop pecking she may go down hill to the extent where she will have to be put to sleep. Usually when there is a problem it can be treated but this isn’t something that can be treated. I am so saddened by this situation.

Red laid three eggs, each one on the third day then stopped. It’s been seven days since she laid her last egg but she was in the grit and oyster shell both yesterday and today so I felt she was getting ready to lay again.

I checked on her this afternoon and she was settled in the nest box. I went to collect my camera as a post is always better with a photo. When I got back Red was laying her egg. I caught her just as she laid.

Well done Red. I am happy that she is laying again as I thought that she may have stopped at three eggs. I hope she continues to lay as any eggs are gratefully received.

Snow has been having a full moult. This surprises me for a first year girl as they don’t usually moult before their first winter. She started losing all the small feathers and then some wing feathers and then her tail feathers.

The day before yesterday Snow had only two tail feathers left. Yesterday snow had one remaining tail feather and today I found that last feather in the chicken shed this morning.

Autumn is heading for her second winter and yet hasn’t moulted which is also unusual. Her feathers still look pristine. I wonder if she isn’t moulting because she hasn’t laid all summer.

Autumn is still pecking at her legs from time to time. You can see the latest red spot on this photo just above her left foot. When I last posted about this problem she was doing it all the time and then I thought after regular spraying she had finally stopped. Since then she is okay for a while and then every now and again she does it again.

It is really frustrating because she then limps on the leg she has pecked as it is obviously painful. I then spray her with the healing and skin repair spray.

Each time Autumn has a spell of pecking her scales off I have sprayed her with scaly leg spray in case it is because of that. I really don’t think it is scaly mite though as I have now sprayed her for three lots of three weeks and only finished a few days ago so I can’t see that she has scaly mites plus none of the other are effected.

I am also spraying her with the protective spray in between which says it cleanses away bacteria, fungi and mites. Never has a girl had her legs sprayed so much! I am spraying her regularly with all three sprays and yet she still pecks her scales off. I think it may be a habit.There is nothing more I can do for her than I am already doing.

Red has laid three eggs each time on the third day. She hasn’t laid for four days now so I’m not sure if that was it. We don’t seem to be very lucky with wyandottes laying.

I thought I would end with a photo of the flock together. They do enjoy their bedtime corn.

Over the last few weeks Red’s comb had reached full size and turned red. For the last week Red has squatted every time I pick her up to put her in the chicken shed at the end of the day.

Despite this Red hadn’t shown an interest in the nest boxes until today. Late this afternoon Red was missing. She was scratching in the nest box by the gate. I checked a little later and she was scratching in the nest box by the chicken shed. When I next checked Red was settled in the nest box.

Half an hour later Red was back out in the run and her first egg was in the nest box. What a clever girl. I felt so proud of her.

Red is between eight and nine month’s old. She is a late starter but it’s a good size egg. She got on with the job with no fuss either and laid quite quickly just half an hour before bedtime. Well done red!

Sugar is the last girl to moult. She always moults around October. There have been flurries of white feathers in the chicken shed and run. The last three days there have been long tail feathers too. Yesterday Sugar had one last long tail feather remaining. Today she has dropped that last tail feather leaving her with short new tail feathers.

Sugar looks quite cute with her short tail. It will soon be back to it’s normal length.

Snow has also been dropping tail feathers. It’s easy to tell them apart because Sugar’s tail feathers are white and Snow’s tail feathers are black. Snow’s tail doesn’t look any different though. She must have had the new ones already grown in. It’s unusual for a first year girl to moult much. I wonder if this is why Snow has stopped laying. Her comb is also paler than it was. It’s three weeks now since she stopped laying.

Red on the other hand has now got a red face and comb. I noticed on my last post that her comb had finally matured. I am still having to put Mango, Cloud, Snow and Red in at night. They settle on top of the nest box and wait for me to put them in.

Red is always the most keen to be put in and as soon as I go through the gate she stands up and moves to the edge of the nest box, towards me, ready for me to pick her up. It makes me question why she doesn’t go in herself but that’s another matter! Anyway for the last three nights when I have reached to pick her up she has dropped into a squat. I have tried putting my hand behind her during the day but she doesn’t squat, it is only at the end of the day when I go to pick her up.

Despite that Red hasn’t shown any interest in the nest boxes and I still don’t think she will lay until spring. I think it’s too late in the year now and the days are too short.

The other thing I have noticed is that Autumn hasn’t moulted and it’s her second year. I wonder if it’s to do with the fact that she hasn’t laid all summer, her last egg being the first of February. She is such an anomaly. She still goes and sits in the nest box each day but doesn’t lay and she still squats. I have never come across this before.

We do seem to get our share of oddities but as long as the girls are healthy that’s okay. After the lack of Wyandotte eggs this year I am hopeful that they will both lay in the spring.

I have been waiting for the chance to get some photos of Autumn and Red together. I wanted to show a size comparison between the two of them.

I think Red is bigger than Autumn but I also thought it may partly be an illusion because Red has lighter coloured feathers.

They don’t often hang out together so it’s not easy to get a direct comparison. However I think that Autumn is narrower than Red and Red is also a bit taller than Autumn.

Autumn has the distinct wyandotte shape. Red is a less distinct shape. She is more rounded and fluffy. She is a beautiful girl. It will be interesting to see if she turns out to be a good egg layer when she eventually starts laying. Time will tell.

We have had a few frosts lately so my husband decided to dig up the allotment chard before the frosts got it. It had survived so far because the netting had protected it from the frost. By digging it up it would keep longer and we could give one plant at a time to the girls.

This kept the girls entertained all day and at the end of the day I picked up the bare stems. They love any kind of greens.

We have good friends and neighbours in both houses across the road from us and have regular get togethers. We have lived in this house for seventeen and a half years. The neighbours opposite on the right have lived here longer and on the left not so long.

The house opposite on the left had a huge walnut tree. It was so big that it filled both the large front gardens of the neighbours opposite. It completely blotted out our view of both houses. Every four or five years they had the tree lopped but afterwards it would regrow to an even bigger size. It has probably more than doubled in size since we have lived here.

About a week ago we got a whatsapp message from our neighbours opposite on the right. They said that this time the tree was being taken down. They said it was sad to lose an old tree but it had become unmanageable. The tree roots were lifting the tarmac on their drive and they said next door had very kindly said that it was time for the tree to go.

I have taken before and after photos of the tree in the past so hadn’t this time until I realised it was now going. By the time I took the first photo a chunk of the left hand side of the tree had already been removed, which had spread out to the left side of the hedge.

We have also seen the hedge opposite strimmed many times over the years and that too soon grows back bigger than before.

Yesterday our neighbour’s dad started to take a lot more out of the hedge than usual. We assume this is so that as well as reducing the height it will also reduce the width. It will of course start to green up again in the spring.

The view across the road is now quite different. We have said that we could now wave to each other from the windows. They also said they may now need some net curtains.

I felt that such a huge change would be good to be recorded to look back on. I can imagine us saying in future that we remember the giant walnut tree.

I always give the girls greens every day. Most of the time I give them spinach but in the summer they have any of the greens from the allotment that are either abundant or have gone to seed. Today they have spinach.

Snow went broody three days ago. She had laid eight eggs in thirteen days. This is less than usual for her but it’s probably because it’s late in the year and potentially the last chance to raise chicks, which of course is never going to happen, but she doesn’t know that. This means we now have no girls laying.

Snow isn’t a committed broody and after a few days of closing the nest boxes she comes through it. She may start laying again in a couple of weeks time because as a first year girl she could continue laying through the winter.

Sugar has now started dropping feathers. I am finding them below wherever she perches. This means that she is starting her moult and as she usually stops laying in October I don’t expect her to lay again until the spring.

Red is now eight months old and still showing no sign of coming into lay. I think this means she probably won’t start laying until the spring.

In other critter news I have seen the frog again on the path near the chicken run. On my way up it was sitting on the path in light rain. On my way back down it was further down the path and jumped into the undergrowth.

We have also seen slow worms frequently. We are still seeing all sizes from tiny to really long. It seems late in the year so conditions must be good for them. We obviously have a good breeding population as they are all sizes from tiny through to full grown.

I finished worming the girls four days ago and found no worms so that’s good. The girls are all looking good and are very harmonious. We have a lovely flock.